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Norwich v Derby County (away) 20th December 2014

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Canaryboy

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 Hooper may have to drop to the bench, in spite of his recent excellent performances. 
I think it would be really harsh to drop Hooper! He's been excellent in recent games (only saw highlights of the Huddersfield game, but beautiful assist!). 

I could understand the thought process behind going with Jerome if we play a lone striker though, more pace on the break / counter. 
 
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Canaryboy

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I'm with morty on this one, it would be crazy to change our starting line up just as we see improvement and organisation, and that's aside of me wanting to see Redmond start for selfish reasons. I can however certainly cope with him coming of the bench as an impact sub and helping us smash and grab a win after the initial team has held firm for an hour, which is something like I am expecting.
I agree, I'd go with exactly the same team again.

Yes Redmond changed the game (so I hear),but it isn't uncommon at all for first halves to be closed affairs / conservative in nature, gives teams a chance to suss each other out, and shows that Adams & Phelan (feels lovely saying that, just like we used to say Lambert & Culverhouse) made the right tactical changes at the right time. Games are won over 90 minutes. Sometimes if you go on a live scores website you'll notice that nearly every game is 0-0 or 1-0 at half-time, not uncommon at all for one team to go on and show their dominance later in a game, it is usual for many more goals to be scored in the second half isn't it? 

Derby are going to have 11 men and we aren't playing at Carrow Road. Just because the conditions were right for Redmond to prove a point on Saturday doesn't mean that he'll be able to do the same over 90 minutes away to one of the leagues best teams, perhaps this game will hinge on tactical decisions later in the game too, as is often the case? 

Are there any players who deserve to be dropped? Perhaps that's the more pertinent question. We could make an argument for Lewis Grabban deserving another chance after scoring, and I heard Wes looked handy when he came on. This is a nice position to be in, having players on the bench hungry for their chances taking them when they come. 

But it would be harsh to stick Redmond on the left at the expense of Bradley Johnson (two goals),harsh to stick him on the right at the expense of Howson or up front at the expense of Hooper (don't we look so much better now with Hooper & Howson in the team?),and Jerome is forming a great little partnership with Hooper and bagged a goal and won a penalty.

We may have to wait for a poor individual or team performance to make changes, but that's a great position to be in, a situation wherebyyour place in the team is yours to lose and every player knows that there is a quality player waiting to steal their place in the team. 

It isn't just Redmond who is fighting for his place in the team, it is also Grabban, Turner, Wes, Ryan Bennett..... its about time we had this predicament and saw evidence that we have a deep squad full of talent, because just a few weeks ago we were looking like a mid-table team at very best and even the fans were running out of ideas.  

This mentality should have been bred earlier, Adams wasn't using his squad enough and wasn't dropping players when they were performing poorly (especially Grabban). I'm not sure that he should now start dropping players who are playing well. Dropping in-form players is just as bad as not dropping out of form players unless the games are coming thick and fast (and some will say that we didn't rotate enough when we had 7 games in 22 days earlier in the season).
 
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Surgeryman

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Ruddy

Whitaker Martin Cuellar Olssen

Tettey O Neil

Howson Hooper Redmond

Jerome

But will probably start with Saturday's team.
 
Din

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Can't see Johnson being dropped after Saturday tbh. I think it'll be that exact team but Johnson for O'Neil. I also think we'll go 4-4-2, with Johnson left, Redmond right, and Hooper and Jerome as strikers, with Hooper probably playing just off. 
 
Yellow Fever

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I'd also go for the same team and play longer through balls into the channels quickly to Jerome and Hooper the way we did at Wigan, leading to the goal.
 
Din

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I think it's definitely worth reminded ourselves what happened last time we played Derby:

(I say that, I just want any old excuse to watch this again :D ).

 
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Yellow Fever

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Always worth another watch. Din, especially as Neil commented on it in his interview!
 
eatonparkboy

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It is great to win 5-0 of course, but the real best moments in football are that match and that goal. It was sandwiched between the spectacular derby triumph and the promotion win at Pompey but that Derby game was the one said it all.
 
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Yellow Fever

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Yes it was special. Others that stand out were the 2-1 winner by Holt against Everton in the final seconds after Kamara's headed equaliser and the 3 goal comeback with Drury's winner to draw 4-4 against Boro. 
 
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Canaryboy

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And the Mulryne goal at the end of the 2003/04 campaign, didn't it take us up? 

Also beating Man Utd 2-0 at home, Ashton & McKenzie goals. We did a proper job on them and it gave people hope that we could stay up, even if we didn't. 
 
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I think we will see the same team that started the last two games. Neil Adams tends to stick with what he thinks is a winning formula. One of my concerns about him is that he appears to do this irrespective of the opposition or what they might do. However on this occasion as has been discussed above it does look the right thing to do.

It would be really harsh on Redders who played brilliantly last week, but hopefully he can reflect that it will be a team effort over the whole season and that sometimes his best contribution to the team will be from the bench.
 
Din

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It is great to win 5-0 of course, but the real best moments in football are that match and that goal. It was sandwiched between the spectacular derby triumph and the promotion win at Pompey but that Derby game was the one said it all.
Completely agree. In years to come I might not even remember big 4/5/6-0 wins over the likes of Huddersfield, Scunthorpe, Bristol Rovers etc. However I will always remember that Jackson goal, as well as Chris Martin's header against Leeds in the 90th minute to effectively wrap up the League 1 title (even though the actual game itself was incredibly boring).

Always worth another watch. Din, especially as Neil commented on it in his interview!
Exactly yeah. I don't think there's any question about his passion for Norwich City. His reaction is priceless, as is Chris Goreham's.

So much for being impartial :D
 
Yellow Fever

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and passion was one of the qualities Hughton lacked, really, and a quality easier to infuse into the side when you're winning.
 
eatonparkboy

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and passion was one of the qualities Hughton lacked, really, and a quality easier to infuse into the side when you're winning.
Yes, passion is the big ingredient that isn't part of the coaching badge. But there doesn't appear to be much passion among the current playing squad. Yes, they celebrate after a goal and there is the compulsory pre match huddle but there just doesn't seem to be too much fire in their bellies.

Despite their bad press, and sometimes it is warranted, animated people like Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger, Warnock and Pulis may just, with their passion, give their team that extra boost that gets a winner or equaliser.

It seems as if you have stand in the technical area in a suit with your arms folded while the backroom staff fiddle about with flip charts. The sight of Dave Watson appearing to do little else than wander around with a chart still haunts me from last season.
 
Yellow Fever

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I think the passion is showing again with the last two wins. IMO, the 4th and 5th goals weren't celebrated big-time because the players didn't want to rub it in with Huddersfield players, which is fair enough.
 
dj161

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I'd expect us to start with the same 11 that started the 2nd half against Huddersfield, so

Ruddy

Whittaker Martin Cuellar Olsson

Redmond Howson Tettey Johnson

Hooper Jerome

I think we'll need Redmond's pace tomorrow, as I'd expect Derby to have plenty of the ball, and we may need to look to play on the break some what, hopefully Murphy is back in the squad for tomorrow too
 
Brian Fantana

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I think it's definitely worth reminded ourselves what happened last time we played Derby:

(I say that, I just want any old excuse to watch this again :D ).

I love this but I struggle to watch it without focusing on the guy who jumps and lands on the hoarding at 20secs....hilarious and brilliant all in one go.
 
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