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Hope all are well - Pinkun future

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Sonyc

Active Member
All a bit embarrassing really, this is hardly rocket science. It's a forum stored on a server, it really shouldn't be this difficult.
Well, it's all a bit odd.
I like the PinkUn and I read daily...but no longer wish to post there. I needed a change of 'scenery' I think. Happy enough here (and OTBC) for my rare postings.

Good to read the political positions and views of fans especially. Couldn't care less if I agree with them or not, just good to see the free speech. At the risk of saying it twice too many times the canning a non football section was pure censorship.
 
Daz Sparks

Daz Sparks

Member
Well, it's all a bit odd.
I like the PinkUn and I read daily...but no longer wish to post there. I needed a change of 'scenery' I think. Happy enough here (and OTBC) for my rare postings.

Good to read the political positions and views of fans especially. Couldn't care less if I agree with them or not, just good to see the free speech. At the risk of saying it twice too many times the canning a non football section was pure censorship.
The voice of reason, as ever Mr Sonyc, and I couldn't agree more on your last comment. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
morty

morty

Moderator
Staff member
The pinkun has blocked America lol.
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Rock The Boat

Member
Well, it's all a bit odd.
I like the PinkUn and I read daily...but no longer wish to post there. I needed a change of 'scenery' I think. Happy enough here (and OTBC) for my rare postings.

Good to read the political positions and views of fans especially. Couldn't care less if I agree with them or not, just good to see the free speech. At the risk of saying it twice too many times the canning a non football section was pure censorship.
It is pure censorship, Sonyc. I got banned because I posted in the Southport Riots thread that Axel Ruducabana was in fact a terrorist after all, when ricin was found in his bedroom along with Al Qeda manuals. And the people who said so at the outset were absolutely bang on the money.
The irony is that I subscribed to the Pinkun as I wanted an old Norfolk icon to survive in the modern world of publishing, and so I have the ability still to write comments at the end of their football articles but can't write comments on the message board. It also means i won't be renewing my subscription to the Pinkun as banning customers isn't a clever marketing move.

Go woke, go broke
 
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Sonyc

Active Member
It is pure censorship, Sonyc. I got banned because I posted in the Southport Riots thread that Axel Ruducabana was in fact a terrorist after all, when ricin was found in his bedroom along with Al Qeda manuals. And the people who said so at the outset were absolutely bang on the money.
The irony is that I subscribed to the Pinkun as I wanted an old Norfolk icon to survive in the modern world of publishing, and so I have the ability still to write comments at the end of their football articles but can't write comments on the message board. It also means i won't be renewing my subscription to the Pinkun as banning customers isn't a clever marketing move.

Go woke, go broke
I don't miss the nastiness that would take hold for phases because I see it as a waste of time to shout out into a void of strangers. Yet I also value the views of different people because I also learn things. And I'm never fixed in an opinion and can easily see someone else's train of thought. I get even broader minded the older I get oddly (and in some instances more conservative). I think also many people (the vast majority) want similar things in life. We can debate I would hope how we get there.

To deny and shut off a part of the forum is such a poor move. It could have been moderated in many ways. I think people will migrate to new platforms.
 
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Fen Canary

Member
I don't miss the nastiness that would take hold for phases because I see it as a waste of time to shout out into a void of strangers. Yet I also value the views of different people because I also learn things. And I'm never fixed in an opinion and can easily see someone else's train of thought. I get even broader minded the older I get oddly (and in some instances more conservative). I think also many people (the vast majority) want similar things in life. We can debate I would hope how we get there.

To deny and shut off a part of the forum is such a poor move. It could have been moderated in many ways. I think people will migrate to new platforms.
Most of us do want similar end goals I think, a prosperous nation thats safe and easy to live in. There is disagreement on the best way to achieve this buts thats why we have elections. I’m a firm believer in the wisdom of crowds, and the electoral system prevents the country from swinging too far one way or the other.
The next election could be interesting though as there’s a real possibility that Reform reach the critical mass needed to actually start winning seats as opposed to just votes and possibly replacing the Tories as the main right leaning party in Britain, something that hasn’t really happened for a century since Labour replaced the Liberals
 
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Sonyc

Active Member
Most of us do want similar end goals I think, a prosperous nation thats safe and easy to live in. There is disagreement on the best way to achieve this buts thats why we have elections. I’m a firm believer in the wisdom of crowds, and the electoral system prevents the country from swinging too far one way or the other.
The next election could be interesting though as there’s a real possibility that Reform reach the critical mass needed to actually start winning seats as opposed to just votes and possibly replacing the Tories as the main right leaning party in Britain, something that hasn’t really happened for a century since Labour replaced the Liberals
I'm now reasonably sure that Reform will be part of the next government...just how big a part I'm less sure about. I also don't see another Labour government winning an election for quite some time. No idea what might happen to the Tories.

The UK often follows (or perhaps I should say is very influenced by) what happens in the US. Maga is supported by the majority of US people it seems and I could certainly see something similar here in different colours.

We are seeing huge swings in sentiment across the world where 'old' governance approaches (prevailing hegemonies) are splintering. I suppose it's a real life example of paradigm shift in a political sense, this time seen so much more obviously in a global context (China, Russia etc). We can see that Europe is a weakening power. There is a fancy Greek word enantiodromia that I believe is apt (after a phase of time things develop and change into their opposites).
 
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PukkiParty

Member
Well, it's all a bit odd.
I like the PinkUn and I read daily...but no longer wish to post there. I needed a change of 'scenery' I think. Happy enough here (and OTBC) for my rare postings.

Good to read the political positions and views of fans especially. Couldn't care less if I agree with them or not, just good to see the free speech. At the risk of saying it twice too many times the canning a non football section was pure censorship.
Still get no option to reply to any posts on the Pink'un, can't be bothered to try the fix that somebody posted.

Blocking America @morty , does that mean that Mark Attanasio doesn't know about the Pink'un :D
 
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Jarrold Stander

New Member
It’s all a bit weird, I posted my usual summary of bands/ musicians and a couple more posts but now, although I can still view all threads I don’t seem to be able to post or reply. Very frustrating as I would have liked to have responded to some of the comments, especially I was at the game.

Yeah, I seem to be in the same boat all of a sudden. All I get is a grey field where the comment field should be, and the same applies to trying to PM people too!
I get exactly the same. Very frustrating. The bods at Newsquest need to sort this out if they don't want al thier contibutors to melt away.

Perhaps they do.....
 
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Fen Canary

Member
I'm now reasonably sure that Reform will be part of the next government...just how big a part I'm less sure about. I also don't see another Labour government winning an election for quite some time. No idea what might happen to the Tories.

The UK often follows (or perhaps I should say is very influenced by) what happens in the US. Maga is supported by the majority of US people it seems and I could certainly see something similar here in different colours.

We are seeing huge swings in sentiment across the world where 'old' governance approaches (prevailing hegemonies) are splintering. I suppose it's a real life example of paradigm shift in a political sense, this time seen so much more obviously in a global context (China, Russia etc). We can see that Europe is a weakening power. There is a fancy Greek word enantiodromia that I believe is apt (after a phase of time things develop and change into their opposites).
It’s simply the natural order of things though. The welfare state and Bretton Woods era was born from the ashes of the war, which lasted until Thatcher decided we should be ruled by finance instead.
Blair largely carried this on while outsourcing what in my mind should be political decisions to unaccountable quangos and organisations. We’ve now had a generation of politicians refusing make political choices, and the electorate are tired of seeing their wishes roundly ignored or told to lump it, immigration and deindustrialisation being two of the major ones. When the established parties don’t follow the wishes of the electorate they’ll eventually take a punt elsewhere or a more likely to break with the status quo.
This has led to Brexit and Reform in Britain, Trump in the States, Le Pen, Meloni, AfD, Wilders, Vox etc in Europe. If the established parties want to stop these upstarts gaining influence then it’s really not difficult, simply enact policy more in line with the wishes of the majority of the electorate
 
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Sonyc

Active Member
It’s simply the natural order of things though. The welfare state and Bretton Woods era was born from the ashes of the war, which lasted until Thatcher decided we should be ruled by finance instead.
Blair largely carried this on while outsourcing what in my mind should be political decisions to unaccountable quangos and organisations. We’ve now had a generation of politicians refusing make political choices, and the electorate are tired of seeing their wishes roundly ignored or told to lump it, immigration and deindustrialisation being two of the major ones. When the established parties don’t follow the wishes of the electorate they’ll eventually take a punt elsewhere or a more likely to break with the status quo.
This has led to Brexit and Reform in Britain, Trump in the States, Le Pen, Meloni, AfD, Wilders, Vox etc in Europe. If the established parties want to stop these upstarts gaining influence then it’s really not difficult, simply enact policy more in line with the wishes of the majority of the electorate
That's a very fair summary assessment in a couple of paragraphs for such a big subject. Of course immigration and deindustrialisation have a link too. Business always looks at the bottom line, the biggest profit, ergo the cheapest wage (as a rule). Market forces have brought us where we are - I agree your point about political decisions - but these have also been so short term. Not helped by our electoral system.

We have not invested deeply enough nor widely enough (too much in London, south east). Levelling up was / is fine in principle but it needs perhaps a 20 year plan at the least and it must be integrated with a labour strategy (and so on). Area based solutions work but they work only so long as resource is there, which is often for a limited time period. You can throw money at a area but that investment needs to generate new growth, create a new local economy - not simply used to try to fill a huge hole. Places need a purpose. I think successive governments have failed in this. For quite a long time.

Such a huge subject that I'm probably ill-equipped to comment on in any depth. There's demographic change too in all of this.
 
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Scoop

Member
Such a huge subject that I'm probably ill-equipped to comment on in any depth.
I agree with what you wrote but as you say, such a huge subject and we, the great unwashed, know very little of what is going on out there in the global world. We need to be mindful of that.
I remember years ago (so I may have some of details wrong but the sentiment remains) that some commentators asked the head of BP, I think, if he'd like to run the country and his response was an absolute 'No. Too big of a task '.
Running a country, globally, with all of the pressures of doing the best by your country but also maintaining relationships and trade with every other leader is no small task Shit, I couldn't even maintain harmony in my own micro company, I'd likely had started WW3 within days given the reigns of the UK. Ipshit would be fucked off straight away
 
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Sonyc

Active Member
I agree with what you wrote but as you say, such a huge subject and we, the great unwashed, know very little of what is going on out there in the global world. We need to be mindful of that.
I remember years ago (so I may have some of details wrong but the sentiment remains) that some commentators asked the head of BP, I think, if he'd like to run the country and his response was an absolute 'No. Too big of a task '.
Running a country, globally, with all of the pressures of doing the best by your country but also maintaining relationships and trade with every other leader is no small task Shit, I couldn't even maintain harmony in my own micro company, I'd likely had started WW3 within days given the reigns of the UK. Ipshit would be fucked off straight away
Spot on, yes.
Amazing that so many decisions made in the world are often made between two people and at the most three people. Politics is also about mediating between positions...how much you maintain and keep and what you have to let go.

Yet we watch on now and observe how the US is starting to tear apart as much 'government' as it can. A new politics if you like - where compromise and relationship appears far less important. A much harder line on tariffs, on geographical boundaries and so on. An interesting unfolding of events and to what extent it will be successful for the country - or whether more problems emerge from this way of doing politics.
 
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PukkiParty

Member
I'm now reasonably sure that Reform will be part of the next government...just how big a part I'm less sure about. I also don't see another Labour government winning an election for quite some time. No idea what might happen to the Tories.

I suspect we'll see a hung parliament and a coalition of some sort, but could be Labour-Lib Dem-Greens with the latter two propping up Labour when they lose their huge majority, rather than Tory-Reform.

My fear however is that somebody needs the SNP seats to form a government, because we all know what they'd demand in return, IndyRef 2.

I'm sure that IndyRef2 would fail again, but its really not what the country needs to go through for 12-18 months.
 
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Fen Canary

Member
Spot on, yes.
Amazing that so many decisions made in the world are often made between two people and at the most three people. Politics is also about mediating between positions...how much you maintain and keep and what you have to let go.

Yet we watch on now and observe how the US is starting to tear apart as much 'government' as it can. A new politics if you like - where compromise and relationship appears far less important. A much harder line on tariffs, on geographical boundaries and so on. An interesting unfolding of events and to what extent it will be successful for the country - or whether more problems emerge from this way of doing politics.
I think long term it will be quite damaging for the States to carry on the way Trump is going. If they’re going to bully and harass friends with tariffs and the like then they’ll lose influence to the likes of the Chinese. Currently America is arguably seen a a safer bet for most first world nations, but if they’re going to make everything purely transactional then many are justifiably going to ask why they should side with them over the likes of China who may be offering a better deal. If enough start to drift away and the dollar stops being the defacto Gold Standard America would be bankrupt.
It’s a risky game he’s playing
 
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Sonyc

Active Member
I think long term it will be quite damaging for the States to carry on the way Trump is going. If they’re going to bully and harass friends with tariffs and the like then they’ll lose influence to the likes of the Chinese. Currently America is arguably seen a a safer bet for most first world nations, but if they’re going to make everything purely transactional then many are justifiably going to ask why they should side with them over the likes of China who may be offering a better deal. If enough start to drift away and the dollar stops being the defacto Gold Standard America would be bankrupt.
It’s a risky game he’s playing
It's the economic situation that most interests me in Trump's new 'era'. I agree with you how risky it is. Yet, relationships are dynamic. He may trash some now but they can always be rebuilt. As in life generally. Influence may well be lost however and recovering reputation involves a far longer time period. It could be a matter of decades not years for instance. Only now is Europe gradually coming around to Brexit (and vice versa). And the country hasn't healed yet.

Tariffs played a contributory part in the Great Depression. You could certainly see retaliatory responses from other countries, increasing domestic prices, inflation etc. You could see a situation with his policies leading to recruitment being more difficult and labour /. materials supply problems and businesses losing confidence and flexibility. Or, a converse scenario is that there will be the kind of AI boom and big tech innovation he predicts and they will be the catalyst for huge economic growth. It has a certain feeling of a gamble about it from these shores. Transactional is the right word you've used.

I suppose it's either brave or foolhardy. One thing for sure with all the dismissals and demolition of structures / political apparatus is that it is always easier to demolish and break things up but far harder to rebuild and put back together. You lose such a well of experience. The outcomes and repercussions of such disruption could well affect many US citizens in a few years time.

While stuff is being pulled apart it leaves a vacuum and will involve such a lot of time to rebuild. Time is money too.

Who knows? I don't. I haven't formed an opinion because I don't live there and I haven't got the first hand experience. Yet I can see some scenarios. It makes an interesting watch and you can only speculate and try to keep informed (about actual outcomes and less of others' opinions).
 
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