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Hope all are well - Pinkun future

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Sonyc

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I suspect we'll see a hung parliament and a coalition of some sort, but could be Labour-Lib Dem-Greens with the latter two propping up Labour when they lose their huge majority, rather than Tory-Reform.

My fear however is that somebody needs the SNP seats to form a government, because we all know what they'd demand in return, IndyRef 2.

I'm sure that IndyRef2 would fail again, but its really not what the country needs to go through for 12-18 months.
Agree about Indy ref 2. I'm uncertain too about it being successful. Certainly not what is needed now. For the same reason that despite what's happened post Brexit to have another debate nationally would be counter productive (in my opinion). Yet we must get closer to our biggest ally (Europe). One thing for me at least that Starmer is doing right.
I read that Gen Zs in the US voted for Trump in the majority and recent polls have indicated much more support for Reform from younger people. I think you're on the ball about a hung government but I could foresee (at this time of writing) a much bigger support for Reform. Yet, it's not impossible that more centre / or liberal-leaning parties might form a broader coalition. It would be a first time though in a long time and I would imagine a discussion about the electoral system could well become significant as a bargaining tool. And Reform would be equally happy with that. I've no idea where the Tories are going. I guess they could become more recognisable in 4 years time....but at the moment they feel irrelevant.

The SNP position is another interesting one to watch however and I'm glad you've brought them up.....another party that seems to have lost its way. Much the same with Plaid I feel.
 
GodlyOtsemobor

GodlyOtsemobor

New Member
Haven't been able to log into the pinkun for over a week, when I try to click on the 3 lines that brings up log in, it doesn't do anything at all, now managed to log on but it looks like something out of the matrix, just lines of text and a couple of profile pictures.

The end is nigh.
 
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Fen Canary

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It's the economic situation that most interests me in Trump's new 'era'. I agree with you how risky it is. Yet, relationships are dynamic. He may trash some now but they can always be rebuilt. As in life generally. Influence may well be lost however and recovering reputation involves a far longer time period. It could be a matter of decades not years for instance. Only now is Europe gradually coming around to Brexit (and vice versa). And the country hasn't healed yet.

Tariffs played a contributory part in the Great Depression. You could certainly see retaliatory responses from other countries, increasing domestic prices, inflation etc. You could see a situation with his policies leading to recruitment being more difficult and labour /. materials supply problems and businesses losing confidence and flexibility. Or, a converse scenario is that there will be the kind of AI boom and big tech innovation he predicts and they will be the catalyst for huge economic growth. It has a certain feeling of a gamble about it from these shores. Transactional is the right word you've used.

I suppose it's either brave or foolhardy. One thing for sure with all the dismissals and demolition of structures / political apparatus is that it is always easier to demolish and break things up but far harder to rebuild and put back together. You lose such a well of experience. The outcomes and repercussions of such disruption could well affect many US citizens in a few years time.

While stuff is being pulled apart it leaves a vacuum and will involve such a lot of time to rebuild. Time is money too.

Who knows? I don't. I haven't formed an opinion because I don't live there and I haven't got the first hand experience. Yet I can see some scenarios. It makes an interesting watch and you can only speculate and try to keep informed (about actual outcomes and less of others' opinions).
I don’t actually have a problem with tariffs, if you have industries that are strategic or important for the nation (energy, food, steel etc) then in my opinion allowing yourselves to be undercut by other nations who may have lower wages or lots of state aid is rather stupid policy. However using them as a means to threaten other nations into doing what you want is a different proposition, one that will more than likely lead them to look for other opportunities and outside your influence. If the Americans want to contain Chinas rise through a Cold War type scenario then they need likeminded allies to do so, so pushing those allies away and into the arms of the Chinese is about as foolhardy as you can get.
The agree that breaking stuff is the easy part, rebuilding it is where the problems will lie. However I think vast numbers had decided that the status quo wasn’t working for them so were willing to take a punt on something new. It will be interesting to see what it morphs into, but I don’t think it will be the likes of Trump/Farage/Le Pen who actually carry it through. They’re merely the battering rams who have the force of personality to get the ball moving, it will be up to those that follow what happens next.
As an aside I’m not unhappy at seeing the end of the Blairite era. I’m happy to see a touch more protectionism and would like to see power moved away from various quangos and NGO’s and back towards Westminster, for those Ministers to have more power and accountability
 
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WWIAFTM

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Haven't been able to log into the pinkun for over a week, when I try to click on the 3 lines that brings up log in, it doesn't do anything at all, now managed to log on but it looks like something out of the matrix, just lines of text and a couple of profile pictures.

The end is nigh.

Yup, the match thread only made three pages.

Only five threads have been posted in since midday, and that includes the one about 'forum maintenance'.
 
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Scout38

New Member
I'm using chrome on an android phone and the Pinkun is working fine. Hope this helps
 
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Canaryking

New Member
I usually get on via SafariI but have been unable to for days. Do find this thread a mixture of PinkUn stuff( hence the title ) but there is also a lot of other conversation, very strange.
 
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Cackleborough

New Member
The match was fairly dull hence why people would rather talk Trump.
 
GodlyOtsemobor

GodlyOtsemobor

New Member
Same here, android/chrome yet the forum still looks broken.
 
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