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Norwich City vs Millwall (away) Saturday 26th August.

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GJP

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Whilst I accept that I was maybe expecting to be a bit further up the table at this juncture, its worth pointing out its still August and we have played 5 league games.
The same sort of sentiments were coming out last year for AN and Hughton's second season. 

I am still open minded on Franke BUT even at this early stage clearly the defence should be in better order. It is a major worry. And, as I keep going on about, persisting with finding a place for Russell is not the way forward. 
 
morty

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I think "second season" perhaps illustrates my point about it maybe being a wee bit early yet to push the panic button.

But yes, it has to improve.
 
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I think "second season" perhaps illustrates my point about it maybe being a wee bit early yet to push the panic button.

But yes, it has to improve.
The thing about the panic button is that if you don't push it early you usually end up pushing it too late.

I think they could do with doing a deal or two this week to renew some optimism. 
 
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The thing about the panic button is that if you don't push it early you usually end up pushing it too late.

I think they could do with doing a deal or two this week to renew some optimism. 
I am seeing folks calling Farke a failure and questioning if he should go. I would suggest that some never put their panic button back in the box after last season.
 
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Well yeah, some are always like that. Some will always hope for failure so they can give it a bit of "I told you so".

But the way we have let in 4 goals at Villa and then again at Millwall... that has to be a concern. And Farke cannot be afforded too much time to put it right.

Not that he can take it all because obviously Webber plays his part and at the moment some of the signings are looking a bit lightweight. And lightweight is not exactly when you need when you're trying to fix a side with a very leaky defence and general lack of guts.
 
Dubai Mark

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Sure it probably is a bit early to push the panic button, and I have always been one who is on the side of giving the Manager/Coach a good length of time and "for sure" Farke hasnt really had long enough.

That said....some serious improvements need to be shown very soon, because what we witnesed at Villa and then more so at Millwall was a disgrace when it comes to basic defending.

Now we had 72% possesion yesterday and until we lost the ball due to individual mistakes each time, actually played some decent looking football, the midfield when going forward and not sideways looks capable and we certainly have quality in Nelson or Jerome up front. Indeed, Millwall actually seemed to be enjoying watching our pretty football, and clearly knew that if they were patient we would mess up and give the ball away....which we did many times, and then knowing our defence is all over the place, like Villa, they found it very easy to score against us.

Gunn is totaly exposed by the defence, and the defence is totally exposed by the midfield, who having made pretty patterns whilst keeping the ball so long tend to end up in postions where they are unable to provide support for any break or attacking move from the opposition. 

What frustrates me in particular about the defence, is first of all, that Russell Martin keeps taking the flack/blame from many of our supporters regardless of how he personally plays, and in reality he has probably been our best defender so far this season, yes....I'm serious, thats "best" out of a bad bunch.  Then its the fact that, it is very clear that the club simply hasnt replaced the majority of those players released with BETTER players, in particular the defenders, right now for example I would welcome back both Bassong or Bennett as thats how highly I rate Franke, he looks lost and totally out of his depth, and Husband too looks like we must have only watched a video of him when he actually had a very lucky day and looked like he could play a bit.

Hopefully after the international break we will see Klose back and at last see if Toffolo can cut it at this level, I'm guessing he can when compared to Husband.

Oh, and dont get me started on what appears to be the zonal marking system we attempt....just take a look at Millwall's fourth goal and freeze frame when the corner is taken, the majority of our team simply stand and watch the ball fly over their heads without making any attempt to do anything, just spectatators watching a Millwall player come in unmarked to notch one of the easiest opportunities he will have this season. Lets be honest, only the very top teams seem to get zonal marking right, it's a risk way of defending and I dont think it fits the Championship.   

To play the way Farke is coaching us is fine, if we had the quality of players to carry it out, players who are not prone to mistakes, sure we have plenty of possession and against lesser sides like Charlton and Swindon it works, but in The Championship (and it appears a strong league this season),mistakes are jumped on and often lead to giving the opposition a goal scoring opportunity.

Now, Farke impressed us all initially and more recently his rousing press conference hit the spot.......BUT, this is now a huge test for him, after the break he will have two home games to demonstrate to us all that improvements are happening and what we have witnessed so far is just, shall we say, the team getting used to the new system and ideas..."growing pains"........let's see shall we, because right now I'm thinking that the rest of the Championship sides cant wait to play us, watch us pass the ball around as they wait patiently for us to present them with chance after chance to win the match.   Over to you Daniel......        
 
hogesar

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Its a major concern, defensively. And it's not all Martins fault, he's not even been the poorer of the CBs but the fact he is still a regular in the centre might suggest we're not recruiting well, yet again.

You have to give signings time and i think a few will end up alright but there are a couple where you cant see anything about their game thats remotely good enough for this level of football.

Put it this way, id be surprised if any other team lost 4-0 at the Den this season. Id be surprised if even the poorer teams in this league conceded that amount, and again at Villa.

We cant expect this new plan to suddenly just work because of the amount of change but we can certainly expect to not be trashed 4-0 by bloody Millwall.

90% of fans have been patient. And by that i mean they've accepted us selling our better players in Howson, Dorrans and Jacob and buying in on the cheap. But we certainly deserve a couple of decent proven signings now. We have sold circa 50m worth of talent  in the last 18 months and by all accounts, lots of other fans would be protesting etc for that alone. But in our last season of parachute payments its a bit depressing that we dont even seem to be contemplating spending the 3-4m required on a proven CB who might actually help improve the cheap players weve bought anyway.
 
Fenway Frank

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Realistically we're pinning our hopes on Klose and Toffollo aren't we ? 
 
hogesar

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Klose and Lewis i think. Toffolo couldnt hold down a place at a league one side.
 
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Fenway Frank

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I was going to mention Lewis but he's out for some time isn't he 
 
hogesar

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Yeah unfortunately. Stiepermann might be able to do an ok job in the mean time. I dont think Husband is quite as bad as some make out, he has done alright in this division before
 
hogesar

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Husband is looking a bit lightweight. 
Oh I agree, hes not been good enough but whilst I didnt rate Whittaker as an excellent full back in this division I wasnt up for the continual singling out he got for joint defensive failings and it feels a bit like Husband is getting that.
 
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Oh I agree, hes not been good enough but whilst I didnt rate Whittaker as an excellent full back in this division I wasnt up for the continual singling out he got for joint defensive failings and it feels a bit like Husband is getting that.
I agree with what you're saying.

As it goes I would regard Whittaker as a better defender than Husband.....and Pinto.
 
hogesar

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Would probably agree, although with his age Whittaker needed replacing this season anyway really.

However, youre clearly not up to date with NCFC Fan Terms and Conditions. Section 47a clearly states.

1) Pinto MUST NOT be criticised regarding his defensive ability because #pitchwar
 
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Would probably agree, although with his age Whittaker needed replacing this season anyway really.

However, youre clearly not up to date with NCFC Fan Terms and Conditions. Section 47a clearly states.

1) Pinto MUST NOT be criticised regarding his defensive ability because #pitchwar
Yup, Whittaker has had his best days.

I do like Pinto but he gets away with murder in comparison to what Whittaker took stick for.
 
hogesar

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I like Pinto too, but he literally gave up twice yesterday after getting comfortably beaten.
 
Canaryboy

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How long until we begin to look back fondly at the halycon days of Ryan Bennett and Sebastien Bassong? The latter is still a free agent  ;)
 
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