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Norwich City vs Fulham (away) Saturday 5th August 2017

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GJP

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Only seen the highlights on C5 so not much to go on. But perhaps with finishing like that Russ could give Marley some pointers?

As for Oliveira...I don't think Farke will mind too much if it just shows that the player has got the fire in the belly. It's the kind of situation where Farke has to remain cool and get the balance of making Oliveira feel valued but also know that he is the boss.

And you never know, it might have been a shrewd bit of man-management by Farke. He might have seen things in pre-season that made him think Oliveira needs a bit of a kick. Or he might have just called it wrong.
 
morty

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In which case I'll fill you in - that stupid Canary Utd II i.e the guy who's pissed coz Martin slept with his mrs started a thread slating him about 10 seconds post the own goal.

To which I gave one of my usual replies and got likened to your good self! Then a couple of the other usuals chipped in.
:D

Like me you are totally wrong for not respecting someone's right to be an absolute walloper.

Shame on you.
 
Din

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Overall I'm really pleased, and think we definitely merited our point. At the same time though that's tinted with frustration because we could have won the game if we'd just had a little more quality and composure in and around the box, or if the referee had not incorrectly denied us a penalty.

Our passing and movement to get into those passing positions was excellent, as it has been throughout pre-season. Defensively at times we did look exposed particularly in the first half. As I said a few posts up that was because the midfield often pressed a bit too high up the pitch, so when Fulham did manage to pass their way out they'd have a lot of space to exploit in our half. Also the two wing-backs were caught out far too many times. Husband struggled massively to deal with the pace of Fulham's right sided players, and Wildschut didn't seem to have a clue when it came to defensive positioning, and should've been stronger in the tackle in the build-up to their goal. That all said there are definitely more positives than negatives, most notably how well we moved the ball and how dangerous we looked when going forward. Fulham may have created a fair amount of chances but so did we and the ones we had were more clear-cut. Wildschut got into good positions a couple of times before completely fluffing the finish. Vrancic also should've done better with a chance from the inside of the box even though he was on his weaker foot, but was unlucky with another effort from outside the area. Watkins though could've had a hat-trick, and it's poor from him that he didn't convert at the very least one of them, most notably the first one.

As for the players, Gunn made a couple of good saves and couldn't of done anything about their goal. Martin and Franke were both ok. Got caught out a few times but generally solid, Franke slightly more so than Rus, although no blame can be attached to him for the own goal. Zimmermann was excellent, probably my man of the match. Great in the air and made a few crucial blocks and interceptions. I've said already what I thought of the wing-backs, although I will add Husband was tidy on the ball, and Wildschut was brilliant at surging through Fulham's midfield and creating openings, which he did half a dozen or so times and created a number of good chances, mostly for Watkins. He also worked very hard, but his shooting did leave a lot to be desired. Reed was key for us in terms of keeping hold of possession, though he doesn't quite have Tettey's defensive instincts. Vrancic was also great in terms of retaining the ball but was slightly more attack-minded than Reed. I think it'll take him a few matches to properly get going but I don't doubt he has quality. Maddison was slightly disappointing. He wasn't bad but he often wanted to keep hold of the ball a bit too long. Watkins in all honesty didn't have a great debut, mainly down to those 3 golden chances that he missed. Jerome did the job he was asked to do but was unexceptional. He has his own skill-set but he is no Nelson Oliveira, who I fall in love with a little bit more every time he plays. Fantastic control and finish for the goal, and I for one loved the celebration, shows a bit of passion that so many players have lacked in the last 2 seasons. He is a hothead and I don't doubt he'll pick up cards this season, including a red at some point. But he's more than worth it because he is a special player. Lovely pass from Wes as well.

Don't know what to make of Farke not starting Oliveira to be fair. On the one hand I think it may have been a great decision, in the sense that Fulham played a very high pressing game, making it difficult to pass out from the back meaning we often had to go long towards the striker, but when they started to tire we were able to play out on the floor from deep. Of our strikers Jerome would probably be the one whose more suited to the high ball approach, with Oliveira the one better when the ball's on the floor. So in that sense I can see why Farke started him. Maybe he did that or maybe it was a completely unrelated reason and I'm reading too much into it :D  Really happy with Farke though. Switched the formation at half-time and we looked more in control in the 2nd half for it. Also thought he got his substitutions spot on.

I don't doubt Fulham will be up there come the end of the season, they looked a really dangerous side. With that in mind a point is a good result, and certainly one I would've taken before the game. Really looking forward to the first home game against Sunderland next week, and also to what this season will bring! But yeah, only 1 game but right now I'm feeling positive.
 
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Good report Din. I'm feeling pretty positive too, especially bearing in mind we have Klose, Pritchard and Pinto to return, and we can maybe see another signing or two too.

I think its going to be a good season.
 
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Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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I had Zimmerman as my man of match too. Farke s reason for starting Jerome is as you have said too. I can't help but feel we're going to give one or two sides a real tonking this season.

Didnt miss Howson did we ? In fact I'm not sure he would be any better than any other player now we have changed our style.

On another note, Jeff Stelling asked Tony Cottee ( watched all the game ) if we had a particular style of playing and he said no ! Mind you, he also said our biggest problem would be scoring goals, he clearly doesn't realise we were second highest goal scorers last season.
 
hogesar

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Tony Cottee was a complete *bleep* moron who hasn't bothered to do 5 minutes of research.
 
Canaryboy

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Nice to start the season with a point away from home, considering how terrible our away form was last season.

Good to hear that Webber still wants about 3 new signings, although perhaps that is reliant on shifting a couple first (Andreu & McGovern?). 
 
Dubai Mark

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ah now I know why I came back to this board, good posts with no malice, yeah! Took a look at the pinkun a few days ago, so many with agendas, its sad.

It was weird watching our side with so many changes, but I too am pretty positive after that showing against what I thought was a very decent looking Fulham side with a lot of talented players, an established Fulham side too, unlike our side with seven debutants.

Just some comments on what I saw.........Gunn for his age looked excellent, he will only get better, Zimmerman was way better than I expected and looked liked he'd been in that side established for years, Martin didnt do anything wrong, was steady and totally committed (despite some of the expected derogatory comments I have read elsewhere),wasnt keen on Franke to be honest, he looked a little pedestrian and only played simple safe balls to closest colleague, but he was steady and looks like he will settle, Husband considering he is a left back by trade did struggle but was up against some exceptional pace, Wildschut going forward was terrific in that first half and Fulham couldnt handle him, but for the formation played he clearly struggled defensively, I understand why Cameron Jerome started and would have done the same, Reed and Madison did well enough, I loved the way Vrancic played, he is going to be huge for us this season, Watkins played well and just needed a bit of luck....as for Nelson.....what a shame the celebration distracted from a very classy finish and a sublime assist from Wes.....I get a feeling, well it looks obvious to me, that Nelson will be huge for us this season, and I wouldnt be at all surpised if we see a huge bid come him from a top Premier league side either in January or at the end of the season, he oozes class......I thought the side is screaming out for a good Naismith and Pinto.........I loved the way Farke handled the Nelson situation "for sure" and Cottee....wtf does he know about our club, a club he got an end of career paycheck from with very little contribution made, no time for him and others who have done the same over the years!

Agree with Morty....I too think this will be a good season, even after just one serious match!
 
Fenway Frank

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ah now I know why I came back to this board, good posts with no malice, yeah! Took a look at the pinkun a few days ago, so many with agendas, its sad.

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ZLF

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Farke was happy with Nelsons performance but unhappy about his reaction,  emphasis on the fact it is a team game and the whole team played well.

Nelson clearly score more (goal every 84 mins compared to 180 from Jerome) but he is a far more selfish player, while Jerome is the team man,  highlighted by Nelsons 1 assist  and no chance creating passes (ie NO involved every 75mins compared to one every 50 mins from Jerome; covering last season and sats game) Jerome is marginally ahead in points per start but not by much. 

Both players score home and away,  both contribute about the same in points gained per goal,  both score against both good and poor opposition.  Neither are bigger than the team and are wrong is they assumed otherwise.   No player in this squad comes close to being an auto starter (same as last season tbh) 

We should be pleased that we have two attacking options almost guaranteed to have an impact in this league.   We need to get behind them both - we will need both of them,  and both of them being a team player.  
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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ZLF, Farke actually said he didn't mind Oliveira's reaction
 
Fenway Frank

Fenway Frank

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Actually he has, he could have very easily said he found it a bit ott but instead explained why he was ok with it. Why do people feel there's some big conspiracy and Nelsons about to get a disciplinary or something ? It happens in football all the time, even in training sessions. 
 
OldRobert

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Some people can't exist without a conspiracy.................My only objection to Nelson's celebration was ripping his shirt off and getting an unnecessary booking.
 
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Actually he has, he could have very easily said he found it a bit ott but instead explained why he was ok with it. Why do people feel there's some big conspiracy and Nelsons about to get a disciplinary or something ? It happens in football all the time, even in training sessions. 
He took the sting out of the situation.
 
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