eatonparkboy
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That isn't the first time Ruddy has dropped a clanger this season.
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Canaryboy
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4-0
Din
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It could still be worse...
Not sure how, but it could be.
Not sure how, but it could be.
Surgeryman
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This is very poor. We are well and truly back in the Championship now.
eatonparkboy
New Member
For the first time, the haters will have a chance to surface again. I just hope NA can sort it or the home games will be full of division just like last season. And if he can't sort it quickly then we will not be promoted and the crowd alone will get him the sack.
Adam Larter
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I thought we were the ones to give 'some' team a good hiding soon.
It's not good enough. ADAMS! Out get back in the commentary box. Actual manager required.
Can't lose to promotion rivals like this
It's not good enough. ADAMS! Out get back in the commentary box. Actual manager required.
Can't lose to promotion rivals like this
eatonparkboy
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I am not obsessed with positions in the table until teh end of the season and it is still so tight at the top. But we are sliding into mid table.
KeiranShikari
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At least this has to be the end of Whittaker and Martin playing in the same side, right?
Canaryboy
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Bad days in the office do happen.
But this is 6 points in 7 games, just 4 goals scored.
That is relegation form in the Premier League, yet alone the Championship. Terrible form, yet very few changes being made despite having a very big squad.
What does Gary Hooper have to do to get a start?
The loan window has been open for weeks, if we need a right back, or need a left winger, then we just need to f*cking get one!
But this is 6 points in 7 games, just 4 goals scored.
That is relegation form in the Premier League, yet alone the Championship. Terrible form, yet very few changes being made despite having a very big squad.
What does Gary Hooper have to do to get a start?
The loan window has been open for weeks, if we need a right back, or need a left winger, then we just need to f*cking get one!
Din
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Forest game is quite a big game now, if we lose that then Adams will be under a hell of a lot of pressure.
Not gonna get carried away, as it should (and hopefully will be) a one off, we just need to re-group quickly and beat Forest so that going into the international break we're looking in slightly better stead.
Whittaker seriously needs to be dropped, and Martin needs to moved back out to right back. As people have said, we've bought all these players in in the summer so that we have plenty of options for each position, and yet we're not using them. Hooper seemed to do well when he came on as well, and deserves a start.
Not gonna get carried away, as it should (and hopefully will be) a one off, we just need to re-group quickly and beat Forest so that going into the international break we're looking in slightly better stead.
Whittaker seriously needs to be dropped, and Martin needs to moved back out to right back. As people have said, we've bought all these players in in the summer so that we have plenty of options for each position, and yet we're not using them. Hooper seemed to do well when he came on as well, and deserves a start.
Surgeryman
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I really hope so. We can all see it but why the manager can't is beyond me. If you play an unbalanced defence, this is what happens.
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Surgeryman
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Totally agree. Whilst we play players out of position this is what happens. I get the feeling that favourites are being picked and there is a certain amount if accommodating going on but not in the teams best interests.
Take Lafferty, a storm of form for N.Ireland but playing in his preferred position, not out wide. Turner a decent defende but he is uncomfortable on the left side of defence.
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GJP
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I'd like to see Whittaker playing alongside two proper CBs.
I know he hasn't had a great season so far but for me Martin was arguably our worst player last season and gets bailed out by Turner regularly at CB. It's time for him to sit out a few games and give a defence without him a chance.
I know he hasn't had a great season so far but for me Martin was arguably our worst player last season and gets bailed out by Turner regularly at CB. It's time for him to sit out a few games and give a defence without him a chance.
splutcho
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That is an unacceptable scoreline. Neil's days may be numbered.
Surgeryman
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You sound as if you have reached an opinion on Adams skipper?
Tomasz Blazak
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Why? Whittaker is the worst player at the club at the moment, and has never once looked like being even a half decent Right Back. Poor man's Louis-Jean in my book. There's a reason that teams are now targetting our RB position. Bolton did it on Friday, and Boro did tonight, and scored from that side within minutes. He is the weakest link in the team by a country mile. Why anyone would want to see him ever play for us again is absolutely baffling to me, regardless of who plays next to him.
Martin is crap at CB, but at RB he does a job, and certainly does it a hell of a lot better than that useless muppet Whittaker does.
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GJP
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Teams targeted Martin last season. Big time.
In my opinion Martin was the worst defender who played regularly last season - but luckily for him Bassong got all the stick.
This time around he's got his wish to play CB and he hasn't been great. And that right sided area is weak because Whittaker and Martin are playing alongside each other.
In Whittaker's first season here he actually did pretty well, he was a regular in the famous 10 game unbeaten run and, iirc, the stats for points won and goals conceded reflected better on him than they did Martin.
Last season Martin seemed to be first choice at RB even though he often came up short.
Going back to 10 game run - we did pretty well with Whittaker Turner Bassong Garrido....yet we never tried going back to it. And you could argue that our defence has never been as good since we moved away from it.
I don't think Whittaker has done particularly well this season but I'd also like to give him a few games playing alongside a proper CB, while Martin gets that time on the bench that he's long overdue.
Dandy Mountfarto
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It really had better be.
Our other problem is something thats been simmering away ever since Lambert left. Years of coaches alienating every single creative midfielder at the club have left us unable to string attacks together without Hoolahan. Its unbelievable that some fans still think he's a luxury that should be dropped in favour of yet another strong and stodgy ball winner.
We needed to buy someone like Lansbury in summer and we didn't, O'Neil's not a creator, Ofoe doesn't look one either. The only other player in the squad we have who looks like being able to do what Wes can do is Cameron King and god knows if he'd be able to replicate that outside of reserve games.
Canaryboy
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Agree Dandy. We have left ourselves without a playmaker.
We don't necessarily need a magician, like Huckerby (although it would help),we've got plenty of pace and power. But we do lack a Henri Lansbury or a Will Hughes.
I'm still bemused by the decision to let both Snodgrass and Pilkington leave without bringing in at least one good winger too, now Elliott Bennett has left the club and we've got Lafferty playing out wide again. The player with the most assists in this league is Matt Richie, an inverted right winger, he has 8 assists in 16 games. We don't have anybody in the top twenty.
We are struggling for goals and will continue to struggle for goals, because Adams hasn't fixed the issues that we had last season. In fact, we are in a worse place. The local Middlesbrough radio commentators today said that our tactic in the first half was to play long angled balls out wide to Lafferty because he was taller than their right back. If that is what we've resorted to then sorry but we just don't have enough quality to get back out of this league.
How have we managed to build a squad of somewhere around 30 players whilst once again failing to bring in competition for Hoolahan, and whilst leaving ourselves seriously short of wide players? Without a single left winger on the books, having just let three capable ones leave (Snodgrass, Pilkington, Surman). How has this even happened, nobody can tell me that Adams was purposely going to play Lafferty on the left wing, or Wes out of position, surely?
We don't necessarily need a magician, like Huckerby (although it would help),we've got plenty of pace and power. But we do lack a Henri Lansbury or a Will Hughes.
I'm still bemused by the decision to let both Snodgrass and Pilkington leave without bringing in at least one good winger too, now Elliott Bennett has left the club and we've got Lafferty playing out wide again. The player with the most assists in this league is Matt Richie, an inverted right winger, he has 8 assists in 16 games. We don't have anybody in the top twenty.
We are struggling for goals and will continue to struggle for goals, because Adams hasn't fixed the issues that we had last season. In fact, we are in a worse place. The local Middlesbrough radio commentators today said that our tactic in the first half was to play long angled balls out wide to Lafferty because he was taller than their right back. If that is what we've resorted to then sorry but we just don't have enough quality to get back out of this league.
How have we managed to build a squad of somewhere around 30 players whilst once again failing to bring in competition for Hoolahan, and whilst leaving ourselves seriously short of wide players? Without a single left winger on the books, having just let three capable ones leave (Snodgrass, Pilkington, Surman). How has this even happened, nobody can tell me that Adams was purposely going to play Lafferty on the left wing, or Wes out of position, surely?
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Gaffer
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Does anyone think we'd be in this position with Neil Lennon as manager? He's got 3 wins out of 5 and his poor Bolton team just thrashed Cardiff 3-0. It was always a bit fanciful to hope someone could go from managing kids to getting us back into the Premier League. He's now being outmanoeuvred in almost every game. He needs a few years managing a lower league team before working his way up to this level.
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