Norwich v Watford (Home) Wednesday 11th May.

[morty]

​

Norwich City vs Watford

Premier League Fixture

11th May 2016, Kick Off: 19:45

Carrow Road

 

[morty]

Would a win just be prolonging the agony?

 

[dj161]

possibly, I guess everyone is gonna be on there phones hoping for good news from the sunderland game, if we get out of the game and still have a chance then great, but no matter what if we have to go down we need to go down fighting

 

[morty]

possibly, I guess everyone is gonna be on there phones hoping for good news from the sunderland game, if we get out of the game and still have a chance then great, but no matter what if we have to go down we need to go down fighting

Agree, but I don't hold out much hope. We're not just relying on one team playing badly, but two.

 

[Fenway Frank]

Sanchez Flores has said he has the right to experiment meaning he will field some inexperienced players. Put your money on an away win ??

 

[Din]

Not really bothered about this, in some ways I'd rather Sunderland go and win against Everton so we can confirm our relegation and concentrate on next year already. As Morty says, I think if we do come out of this game somehow still in with a chance then it'll only be prolonging that agony.

That all said I still would quite like to see us win. Our season has really fizzled out in the last few weeks so it'd be sort of nice if we could at least end it with a decent game and a good performance. Considering we haven't scored in 4 matches though I don't hold out much hope.

Would like to see Mbokani up front with Hoolahan in behind, and hopefully Bennett will be fit to play as well.

Gonna say 1-0 Watford.

 

[OldRobert]

Sorry to be a miserable so and so, but I can't see further than yet another loss.  We can't score, nor defend.  0-2 Watford.

 

[KeiranShikari]

lol

[yt]knq72zUjln8[/yt]

 

[dj161]

got to go for it tomorrow night, need points to and need them now even though it'll likely still not be enough, line up for me

Ruddy

Pinto Martin Bassong Olsson

O'Neil Howson

Redmond Wes Brady

Mbokani

I'd be inclined to bring Bennett back in if he's fit, but I havent heard anything saying he is so I'll presume he's not, lineup pretty similar to Saturdays with the exception of Mbokani in for Jerome, I though Pinto, Olsson and Redmond all done well at the weekend so should all play, we don't have a huge amount of competition in the middle with Tettey being injured and Dorrans and Vadis haven fallen down the pecking order so I'd guess that will stay the same, Personnaly though I don't feel its necessarily the personnel that matter tomorrow night, and has more to do with the approach, Jerome struggle on saturday but I feel part of that is that he was often isolated, we need Howson pushing on more from midfield and making sure that Redmond, Wes and Brady get themselves into the box as often as possible, can't expect the front man to do it all alone, no time to worry about conceding too many goals, need to just be sure that we're at least getting ourselves on the scoresheet now, its truly now or never

 

[KeiranShikari]

The fact that Howson is out for the rest of the season would make that lineup unlikely. 

Dorrans will come in.

 

[dj161]

I'd completely forgot about the howson injury, yeah I guess you'd be right in that Dorrans will come in

 

[GJP]

Jerome struggle on saturday but I feel part of that is that he was often isolated, we need Howson pushing on more from midfield and making sure that Redmond, Wes and Brady get themselves into the box as often as possible, can't expect the front man to do it all alone, no time to worry about conceding too many goals, need to just be sure that we're at least getting ourselves on the scoresheet now, its truly now or never

Yup. That was a clear problem. And with no Rashford and the late bonus of no Martial you might have thought that would encourage us to be a bit braver against Utd but we weren't really.

 

[RhythmicTheory]

we will go out with a whimper im afraid, this team has no fight.

 

[hogesar]

Yup. That was a clear problem. And with no Rashford and the late bonus of no Martial you might have thought that would encourage us to be a bit braver against Utd but we weren't really.

Thing is we needed players to get close to Jerome and you can't expect Howson to do that when Brady, Wes and Redmond struggled to between them.

Saying that, and I can only presume it's under instruction - I tend to find in a lot of our attacks O'Neil is further forwards and Howson is sitting back. I don't understand it, as Howson is a much better attacking influence than Gary!!

 

[ZLF]

It seemed to me that redmond took a knock after about 20mins on sat,  the number of runs he made after that definitely dropped and became shorter.

add in the disproportionate number of long balls hit early meant it was difficult for the midfield to get around CJ consistently (and affected his impact on the game).  The quality of passing into the final third was quite frankly shocking- i have seen less hit and hope most sunday mornings.    And that was with howson on the pitch so i dread to think what tonight will bring!

Good point hoggy about howson/oneil;  there is certainly something in that, ,  it is noticeable that we perform best when howson is ahead of oneil particularly driving forward with the ball at his feet,  and have a worse performance when he is deeper.       So why wouldnt we ensure that is always happening?

What I am not sure about is why there is a difference?  Is it managers choice,  is it that we are pinned in more so howson is unable to get forward,  or there is a fear of the impact of losing so howson choses to sit deeper? (eg on saturday) or is it when he is having an off game?   All 4 scenarios have occurred during the run of games with oneil. 

Dorrans certainly wont bring that dymanic ball carrying element through the middle so will be something we miss tonight.

If the good up for it city turn up tonight we will win;   based on no goals in 4 games I am struggling to be optimistic that we will see that version of the Jeckyl & Hyde squad.  

 

[GJP]

Thing is we needed players to get close to Jerome and you can't expect Howson to do that when Brady, Wes and Redmond struggled to between them.

Saying that, and I can only presume it's under instruction - I tend to find in a lot of our attacks O'Neil is further forwards and Howson is sitting back. I don't understand it, as Howson is a much better attacking influence than Gary!!

I agree. It's becoming increasingly obvious and more of a problem that Wes doesn't have the legs to get there. Can't fault his work rate but he doesn't get to things quick enough. Can only assume Naismith was meant to be the answer.

And then when you add in the total lack of urgency Brady showed it makes you quite easy to defend against.

 

[hogesar]

Good point hoggy about howson/oneil;  there is certainly something in that, ,  it is noticeable that we perform best when howson is ahead of oneil particularly driving forward with the ball at his feet,  and have a worse performance when he is deeper.       So why wouldnt we ensure that is always happening?

What I am not sure about is why there is a difference?  Is it managers choice,  is it that we are pinned in more so howson is unable to get forward,  or there is a fear of the impact of losing so howson choses to sit deeper? (eg on saturday) or is it when he is having an off game?   All 4 scenarios have occurred during the run of games with oneil. 

Dorrans certainly wont bring that dymanic ball carrying element through the middle so will be something we miss tonight.

I'm not sure. Howson's an intelligent player and you could probably say he is most likely of our midfield 4 to identify danger so perhaps he naturally sits back a bit, O'Neil gets forward and then Howson realises he can't afford to push as well in case of a counter?

But then sometimes it almost feels like Howson is following instructions - if so that makes literally no sense other than Howson is deceptively quick so can cover in counters a bit better than O'Neil.

I like Dorrans, think he's been a bit underused but have to admit that he's not exactly looked great in his appearances this season.

 

[dj161]

so Bennett in for Bassong, Dorrans in for Howson, Naismith in for Brady and Mbokani in for Jerome, does this mean Wes or Nais on the left?

 

[KeiranShikari]

Could be a diamond.

 

[Canaryboy]

so Bennett in for Bassong, Dorrans in for Howson, Naismith in for Brady and Mbokani in for Jerome, does this mean Wes or Nais on the left?

Hoolahan, Naismith and Mbokani worked very well together in that 4-5 defeat to Liverpool, perhaps trying to replicate that?