Gaffer
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Of course they do. No one is disputing that, but so what? There's no point just pointing the figure of blame unless you can suggest something that can be done.
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morty
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Well its obvious that the only thing can do is sack the manager, but he is only part of the problem, and a new manager isn't necessarily the entire solution.
Gaffer
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Of course we'd need to recruit the kind of manager who can come up with solutions to our many problems. So it's not a question of 'Do we sack Neil?' but 'Who do we replace him with?'
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GJP
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Rarely in the last year has he looked like he gives a sh*t. Total passenger in the relegation "scrap".
Din
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Too late or not we need to try something. I said on this forum a few weeks ago that I'd love Gary Rowett here, and he's just left Birmingham after falling out with the owners. Let's go in and f*cking get him now.
This game was pretty much the same as most that came before it. Huddersfield are a very good side but they are by no means unbeatable. We just looked so lackluster and deflated that it was pathetic. Pinto and Olsson as usual were trying to make things happen without much success, Jacob Murphy offered a bit of a threat 2nd half, and despite some of the stick he got at certain points in the game I actually didn't think Bassong was too bad. The rest though had nothing.
The decision as well from Neil to take off Oliveira with 25 minutes to go was stupid. He's the only player who's even looked like scoring for us in recent games and yet he's taken off and Jerome is subbed into an unchanged system that Neil has refused to change in recent games despite the fact that it hasn't worked. We are probably the most predictable team in the league. 7 defeats in 9 for a team like ours in completely unacceptable, and at this rate we'll need to change the manager just so we reach the play-offs.
Also is Pritchard injured? Hasn't even been on the bench last 2 games. I also don't really understand why the man who was our best player in the first 10 games, Wes Hoolahan, now can't get on the pitch whereas Naismith can.
This game was pretty much the same as most that came before it. Huddersfield are a very good side but they are by no means unbeatable. We just looked so lackluster and deflated that it was pathetic. Pinto and Olsson as usual were trying to make things happen without much success, Jacob Murphy offered a bit of a threat 2nd half, and despite some of the stick he got at certain points in the game I actually didn't think Bassong was too bad. The rest though had nothing.
The decision as well from Neil to take off Oliveira with 25 minutes to go was stupid. He's the only player who's even looked like scoring for us in recent games and yet he's taken off and Jerome is subbed into an unchanged system that Neil has refused to change in recent games despite the fact that it hasn't worked. We are probably the most predictable team in the league. 7 defeats in 9 for a team like ours in completely unacceptable, and at this rate we'll need to change the manager just so we reach the play-offs.
Also is Pritchard injured? Hasn't even been on the bench last 2 games. I also don't really understand why the man who was our best player in the first 10 games, Wes Hoolahan, now can't get on the pitch whereas Naismith can.
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GJP
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I mean who knows if it's true but there is talk of a fall out between Pritchard and AN.
Canaryboy
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He was only really a squad player for Hull before we signed him, in fairness, I think he's just over rated by his own manager. And over rated by our own fans last season, when he only really had a couple of months of good form plus perhaps deserved a little bit of credit for being able to fill in elsewhere on the pitch when needed.
He is a clear level below Snodgrass, and I'd swap Brady for the Pilkington we had before his fitness problems.
In fact, I'd have Pilkington back even now - has become Cardiff's key player and Matt Jarvis doesn't seem to be able to get himself off of the injured list. And he's still only 28!
Didn't David McNally say that £2m for Pilkington was the best business he'd ever done because of his injury problems?
How is that statement looking now, when we paid £2.5m for Matt Jarvis and Pilkington has scored 5 goals in 18 games this season?
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SussexYellow
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Well almost 24 hours on I really still do not know what to make of the situation.
I can get on board with the lets have a manager long term and play the same system throughout all the teams philosophy - but we have a big weakness if the chosen system does not suit the current first team squad, and lets face it, it doesn't. Plus the opposition of sussed out how to turn us over and it is happening time and time again.
It may be last nights result making me pessimistic but I really do fear that the pattern of games as I commented on in my earlier post is going to mean that we struggle even more in the second half of the season.
We can not change the squad of players at least not sufficiently. What we can change is the manager in the anticipation that a new one can set the team up to get the most out of the squad we have. It comes with risks - we may not get any better, but at the moment it is our best hope of improving results in the short term.
A shame, I had high hopes for Alex Neil and he has given us some good times, but I really do feel that doing nothing is not an option.
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I can get on board with the lets have a manager long term and play the same system throughout all the teams philosophy - but we have a big weakness if the chosen system does not suit the current first team squad, and lets face it, it doesn't. Plus the opposition of sussed out how to turn us over and it is happening time and time again.
It may be last nights result making me pessimistic but I really do fear that the pattern of games as I commented on in my earlier post is going to mean that we struggle even more in the second half of the season.
We can not change the squad of players at least not sufficiently. What we can change is the manager in the anticipation that a new one can set the team up to get the most out of the squad we have. It comes with risks - we may not get any better, but at the moment it is our best hope of improving results in the short term.
A shame, I had high hopes for Alex Neil and he has given us some good times, but I really do feel that doing nothing is not an option.
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Canaryboy
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He can't say he wasn't given time to turn things around, he's been given plenty. It won't be a rash sacking.
Likewise though, we can't say that Alex Neil is greedy when he refuses to resign and takes his compo. Not after Delia gave him her little pep talk and told him to not give up, he's only doing what his boss told him
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Likewise though, we can't say that Alex Neil is greedy when he refuses to resign and takes his compo. Not after Delia gave him her little pep talk and told him to not give up, he's only doing what his boss told him
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Scottish Canary
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I agree with Mortys posts. Cant really get my head around last night. Subs seemed strange but i think we have a squad now that unfortunately the game has moved on but they havent adapted to the pace of play. Always wanted an extra touch and that gave Huddersfield time to defend box in numbers, which they did v well.For Neil to say we looked leggy early is damning of assessmt of players but i must question what is his management team doing to help him?
Canaryboy
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Many of our players have played 3 games in 7 days, and we started the same team as the one which won on Tuesday, Huddersfield made 5 changes from their Tuesday game (half of their outfield players).
So we would look 'leggy' wouldn't we, in comparison.
We can say that we shouldn't change a winning team, but Huddersfield also won on Tuesday.
morty
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I honestly don't think we have enough in form players right now to give the manager genuine options.
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Scottish Canary
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Again does this prove either that Neil has no belief in squad to bring in changes that avoids this happening or has lost confidence in himself by picking the same team to try to keep fans onside knowing that his players are struggling physically. ?
morty
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I think that when you're on a bad run you look to your "safe bet" players to dig you out of it, and you keep it as simple as you can, only making changes to it if you really have to.
Once you're established on a level footing again, then you can tinker a bit.
One positive is that the back 5 seems to be picking itself just now, and we are letting in less goals.
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GJP
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I do agree that the players (or some of) haven't delivered.
But I also think AN has too often pointed the finger at others or found excuses and now seems to view himself as the scapegoat. Or likes people to think he's become the scapegoat.
But I also think AN has too often pointed the finger at others or found excuses and now seems to view himself as the scapegoat. Or likes people to think he's become the scapegoat.
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RhythmicTheory
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I would like Slaviša Jokanović (Fulhams manager),he salvaged a poor situation at Watford, galvanised a fractured squad, done a similiar job with more time at Fulham.
The players are at fault, the manager is at fault and the board/backroom are at fault. We are pretty fucked unless we change club culture quite dramatically, but how often does that happen? You would need someone of Mc Nallys ilk to do such a turn around. Step 1 would be the manager, which you have to do NOW. Couple of defensive/grafter signings in Jan window, use jan to end of season to get a coherent direction for the club, using a director of football if need (maybe Hodgson?). we need to move away from constant changes and adopt the southampton model asap. This should then be applied in the close season, get out anyone (and i mean anyone) who doesnt fit this vision and start again, even if its means a year or so in this division.
The players are at fault, the manager is at fault and the board/backroom are at fault. We are pretty fucked unless we change club culture quite dramatically, but how often does that happen? You would need someone of Mc Nallys ilk to do such a turn around. Step 1 would be the manager, which you have to do NOW. Couple of defensive/grafter signings in Jan window, use jan to end of season to get a coherent direction for the club, using a director of football if need (maybe Hodgson?). we need to move away from constant changes and adopt the southampton model asap. This should then be applied in the close season, get out anyone (and i mean anyone) who doesnt fit this vision and start again, even if its means a year or so in this division.
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RhythmicTheory
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one point that is positive, which means the situation is retrievable. We do have a young core of players who look talented, that would fit a southampton esq model, which is why everything should be rebuilt around them. You do have the beginings of a spine considering the young midfield talent we have. Im sure we have acquired these by sheer dumb luck, but lets capitalise on it.
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