Norwich v Rotherham (Home) 4th October 2014

[Surgeryman]

The other thing is if we know treams are coming to CR to get men behind the ball why don't we sort our tactics out to beat them?

After Charlton, Brum ...etc you would think NA would sort something out, but no he played more in less the same system, hence the same pattern today.

It comes back to accommodating players, not thinking what us the best team formation to get results.

Sorry but really frustrated. I don't expect us to win every game and if course we are still in the mix but we cannot keep giving points away at home.

 

[splutcho]

Having seen the highlights now, on another day we'd have scored 4 or 5. Not worried at all, it'll come together again soon.

 

[Din]

An extended version of the highlights that were shown on the FLS yesterday.

 

[It's Character Forming]

Agree with a lot of this especially remembering we're up at the top barring the result of the Forest v scum game - can't bring myself to want the scum to win, maybe a draw?

 

[Canaryboy]

Going by those highlights it looks like we just weren't clinical enough, plus a little unlucky. Lafferty hitting the post twice. Jerome will be disappointed not to have stuck one of the several chances he had before his goal.

That Bradley Johnson shot early on was a shocker, had so much space. It was long range but should be getting that on target, looks like he side foots in - should have just got his foot behind the ball and Tettey'd it. After scoring two wonder goals early in the season looks like he is trying the spectacular when the simple would do.

Feel a bit sorry for Lafferty not coming away with a goal, beautiful free kick. 

Like Splutcho, I feel a bit better after seeing the highlights. This is the difference between watching on the radio and watching on a stream, because it didn't look anywhere near as good on the radio. Rotherham will probably feel lucky to have left with a point.

I still believe that Hooper is potentially our best striker, especially in and around the six yard box. If he gets himself fit and motivated he could have a lot of fun in this division. If Lafferty gets one he might go on a little run. 

Jerome and Grabban are struggling a bit to convert half decent chances at the minute, but I don't think we will rely too much on those two at all. Over the course of the season I'm sure we'll have enough goals in us both home and away. Not worried at all. 

 

[morty]

Agree with a lot of this especially remembering we're up at the top barring the result of the Forest v scum game - can't bring myself to want the scum to win, maybe a draw?

Looking good so far!

 

[morty]

The scum score! Bloody hell!

 

[It's Character Forming]

Don't mind it knocking us off top spot, I'd still rather have the scum denied by an equaliser in the 94th minute! A point off top spot is fine 20 games in.

 

[It's Character Forming]

Sorry for letting it slip I'm a time traveller guys... Can't tell you how the season ends or they'd have my badge...

 

[Yellow Fever]

Good result anyway. Having seen the highlights, I also feel much better about it. On another day we'd score at least 2 or 3 from those chances. Howson had a good game and will make a difference from now on, as will Hooper and Odjidja-Ofoe when they get their chance. I'd like to see Lafferty given another chance now.

 

[morty]

Good result anyway. Having seen the highlights, I also feel much better about it. On another day we'd score at least 2 or 3 from those chances. Howson had a good game and will make a difference from now on, as will Hooper and Odjidja-Ofoe when they get their chance. I'd like to see Lafferty given another chance now.

Agree with all of that. It was a strange atmosphere in the pub afterwards, people were pretty down, despite the fact we were still top of the league. Its nothing if not a rollercoaster ride!

 

[Bethnal Yellow and Green]

I was at the game on Saturday, and although Norwich did create a lot of chances I still think Adams has got things pretty wrong with the inital formation.

Grabban and Jerome are fairly similar strikers, who do a lot of good work outside the box, but aren't natural finishers once inside it (Jermoe has only had one season where he has been prolific in his career so far). I feel playing only one of these two would be a better option as it meant there wasn't a focal point of Norwich's attack. This wasn't helped by having Hoolahan in his left-wing role. I can see Adams thinking, with Olsson being able to get up and down the left hand side he is more often in the winger's position with Wes drifting inside - however I still think it means the team is a little unbalanced and doesn't allow Redmond to switch wings.

I also think if Norwich are going to go with a 4 man midfield then dropping Tettey is a massive mistake, retaining possession is even more important in a 4-4-2 as it is harder to win the ball back - Rotherham where able to keep the ball too easily at times and could slow the game down.

With the players available to Adams Norwich will always create chances at this level and everyone coming to Carrow Road will be on the back foot, it doesn't mean he can get away with using any old formation. I'm struggling to understand why he moved away from the 4-2-3-1 which was so successful in the early games in the season. If he wants to play Jerome he should just have the bravery to drop Grabban rather than trying to crowbar them into the team together.

 

[Matt Hopkins]

I was at the game on Saturday, and although Norwich did create a lot of chances I still think Adams has got things pretty wrong with the inital formation.

Grabban and Jerome are fairly similar strikers, who do a lot of good work outside the box, but aren't natural finishers once inside it (Jermoe has only had one season where he has been prolific in his career so far). I feel playing only one of these two would be a better option as it meant there wasn't a focal point of Norwich's attack. This wasn't helped by having Hoolahan in his left-wing role. I can see Adams thinking, with Olsson being able to get up and down the left hand side he is more often in the winger's position with Wes drifting inside - however I still think it means the team is a little unbalanced and doesn't allow Redmond to switch wings.

I also think if Norwich are going to go with a 4 man midfield then dropping Tettey is a massive mistake, retaining possession is even more important in a 4-4-2 as it is harder to win the ball back - Rotherham where able to keep the ball too easily at times and could slow the game down.

With the players available to Adams Norwich will always create chances at this level and everyone coming to Carrow Road will be on the back foot, it doesn't mean he can get away with using any old formation. I'm struggling to understand why he moved away from the 4-2-3-1 which was so successful in the early games in the season. If he wants to play Jerome he should just have the bravery to drop Grabban rather than trying to crowbar them into the team together.

Fully agree BGY, not wishing to be critical as we are top at present, but there seems certain players that are "deemed" undropable.

Martin,Johnson,Hoolahan,Grabban. These seem certain starters inspite of formation or opposition.

Other managers have struggled to fit Wes into 442 and it does not work. Midfield gets conjested with no outlet on the left (for long)

Lafferty offered so much more when Wes was subbed.

Whittaker had a good game tuesday night, then dropped. Tetty reads the game well and is some degrees better that Johnson

yet  dropped.

I am sure Adams will sort it out but needs to stop playing favourites.

 

[morty]

Fully agree BGY, not wishing to be critical as we are top at present, but there seems certain players that are "deemed" undropable.

Martin,Johnson,Hoolahan,Grabban. These seem certain starters inspite of formation or opposition.

Other managers have struggled to fit Wes into 442 and it does not work. Midfield gets conjested with no outlet on the left (for long)

Lafferty offered so much more when Wes was subbed.

Whittaker had a good game tuesday night, then dropped. Tetty reads the game well and is some degrees better that Johnson

yet  dropped.

I am sure Adams will sort it out but needs to stop playing favourites.

Dropped or rested though? Or sacrificed for a small change is system? Its all conjecture really.

Adams has already said he intends using the squad, and there is maybe still a getting to know some players, and deciding where and how they are best played.

You cannot really prove anything about favourites or players being undroppable, and there is certainly a lot of sense in keeping a certain core of players, and not changing too much at once.

 

[GJP]

I think there's a slight chance that just maybe Martin and Johnson don't have to do quite so much as others to get a place in the team.

And obviously Hoolahan has been made to feel important again this season.

While it might just be for the good of the team I think there's a chance that NA wanted to make sure he got influential/long serving squad members on side.

 

[Yellow Fever]

Like BY&G, I don't understand why the 4-2-3-1 has been abandoned for a 4-4-2 using the same players. The 4-2-3-1 is also a more versatile formation as it can transform into a 4-3-3 when attacking and then back into a 4-5-1 when defending. With two disappointing results, I'd like to see Lafferty get a start with Grabban held back as an impact sub. I'd also like to see Odjidja-Ofoe given a chance to show what he can do. Let's truly use the whole squad please Neil.

 

[Matt Hopkins]

Dropped or rested though? Or sacrificed for a small change is system? Its all conjecture really.

Adams has already said he intends using the squad, and there is maybe still a getting to know some players, and deciding where and how they are best played.

You cannot really prove anything about favourites or players being undroppable, and there is certainly a lot of sense in keeping a certain core of players, and not changing too much at once.

Adams stated he was dropped, my point being why Tetty and not Johnson.Why Wits and not Martin.

Lets see over the next few weeks, I hope I'm wrong and the whole squad is subject to a rotation principle.

 

[morty]

Did Adams state he was dropped because he thinks Tettey had a bad game, or Bradley is a better player?

So the point still remains that Tettey didn't play due to either being rested, or he felt Bradley fitted better into the system he had in mind. Neither Bradley or Tettey had a bad game the previous time out. Whittaker didn't have a bad game either, however Martin probably isn't far off being the first name on the team sheet 1, because he's captain, and 2, because I can't remember the last time he had a bad game.

So really you have to go with the rotation theory, in my opinion.

Quote from Adams I just read :-

“I just wanted a little bit more drive with the ball. Jonny has got that good energy and the ability to do that,” said Adams. “I told Alex he is very unlucky to be left out because he has done nothing wrong.

“He hasn’t been dropped in any way. I just felt Jonny and Jonno gave us a sitter and one who is more inclined to drive forward than Alex. 

 

[Canaryboy]

The only undroppable player in my eyes is Michael Turner. 

I dread to think what our defence would look like without him in it (especially with Bennett out injured),and I hope we don't have to find out. 

 

[Matt Hopkins]

Did Adams state he was dropped because he thinks Tettey had a bad game, or Bradley is a better player?

So the point still remains that Tettey didn't play due to either being rested, or he felt Bradley fitted better into the system he had in mind. Neither Bradley or Tettey had a bad game the previous time out. Whittaker didn't have a bad game either, however Martin probably isn't far off being the first name on the team sheet 1, because he's captain, and 2, because I can't remember the last time he had a bad game.

So really you have to go with the rotation theory, in my opinion.

Quote from Adams I just read :-

“I just wanted a little bit more drive with the ball. Jonny has got that good energy and the ability to do that,” said Adams. “I told Alex he is very unlucky to be left out because he has done nothing wrong.

“He hasn’t been dropped in any way. I just felt Jonny and Jonno gave us a sitter and one who is more inclined to drive forward than Alex. 

Classic that Morty

You are not injured, you are not in the team BUT you have not been dropped, just left out.

Please explain on behalf of Adams because that's double speak to me.

I will stand by my original statement.

Johnson is a better "sitter" than Tetty!

Good old Leeds midfield, didn't work for them either.