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Nathan Redmond
Position: WingerDOB: 6th March 1994
Signed: 4th July 2013
From: Birmingham (£3.2m)
Contract: [SIZE=17.77777862548828px]30th June[/SIZE] 2017
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DOB: 6th March 1994
Signed: 4th July 2013
From: Birmingham (£3.2m)
Contract: [SIZE=17.77777862548828px]30th June[/SIZE] 2017
Andy
Active Member
Early signs suggest that, if he stays, Redderz will be as frustrating as last season. Ability to beat defences, great pace but really poor decision making resulting in wasted chances. Surely he must realise that he would be a class player if he passed the ball occasionally rather than just blast it in the general direction of goal.
BarclayBoy88
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I think Redmond is the key man to keep a hold of this Summer. Yes he can be frustrating and he does need to get his head up more, but he a young lad who's constantly improving. In the Championship he'll be beating players for fun and in time that final ball will come and when it does, his value will sky rocket. He seems happy to stay at Norwich and that's 100% the right thing to do, he'll get stronger in the Championship and he'll play a key role week in and week out.
Andy
Active Member
I've seen a lot of talk on Twitter that Redmond is our best young player, our best hope for promotion and that we must keep him etc. On the other hand here is a compilation of all of the ratings that posters on here gave him for yesterday's game.
Redmond - 7 frustrating end product, but still a good shift
Redmond 6. Worked hard, used his pace well, but still lacking that quality last ball.
Redmond 7 (very lively all game and looked good in patches but still a frustrating lack of end product)
Redmond 6 - Pace caused lots of problems.Wasted alot of crosses and seems to make the wrong decisions. Will come good this season. Big future.
Redmond- 5 - troubled Watford with his pace, clearly targeted as our danger man, hence the early facial reducer (which backfired spectacularly). Got into good positions but largely wasteful. Poor set pieces.
Redmond - 6 - always in the action, never shied away and worried the opposition. Final ball still very frustrating.
Redmond 6 - Frustrated me no end. Massive potential, but lost the ball lots. Is that because other teams will identify him as a threat and closing him down, or did he just have a poor game yesterday?
Redmond - 5 yes he can skin people but what he did after skinning the full backs was nearly every time atrocious did any of his crosses find a yellow shirt?
Redmond, 6 - Still very frustrating, bags of pace but no end product. Also fell over the ball a couple of times.
There is clearly a common concern. If you were the manager/ board how would you view this? Have we got the time/patience to develop him or should we offload to a lower Prem team with money burning a hole in their pocket?
Redmond - 7 frustrating end product, but still a good shift
Redmond 6. Worked hard, used his pace well, but still lacking that quality last ball.
Redmond 7 (very lively all game and looked good in patches but still a frustrating lack of end product)
Redmond 6 - Pace caused lots of problems.Wasted alot of crosses and seems to make the wrong decisions. Will come good this season. Big future.
Redmond- 5 - troubled Watford with his pace, clearly targeted as our danger man, hence the early facial reducer (which backfired spectacularly). Got into good positions but largely wasteful. Poor set pieces.
Redmond - 6 - always in the action, never shied away and worried the opposition. Final ball still very frustrating.
Redmond 6 - Frustrated me no end. Massive potential, but lost the ball lots. Is that because other teams will identify him as a threat and closing him down, or did he just have a poor game yesterday?
Redmond - 5 yes he can skin people but what he did after skinning the full backs was nearly every time atrocious did any of his crosses find a yellow shirt?
Redmond, 6 - Still very frustrating, bags of pace but no end product. Also fell over the ball a couple of times.
There is clearly a common concern. If you were the manager/ board how would you view this? Have we got the time/patience to develop him or should we offload to a lower Prem team with money burning a hole in their pocket?
K
Killiecanary
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I noticed a thread on Redmond on a certain other message board, which has already degenerated into name calling and childishness.
I much prefer to post on here, although I did post the reply below as I feel very sorry for the stick Nathan is currently getting...
I would be interested to hear the opinions of others on my preferred forum, as I am sure the tone will be much better.
My post is reproduced below...apologies for the length of it!
I think we may be expecting a bit too much too soon from NR. He has only just turned 20. I find it interesting that he is expected to be so much further ahead in his development than the Murphys when he is less than a year older than they are?
I love watching him burst past people with his pace, but get as frustrated as anyone when the umpteenth shot flies into the upper tier or the cross hits the first defender...but the reason we expect so much is that I think we all see that there could be something special about him...we just are getting impatient because he isn't delivering it yet.
I am worried that he isn't developing at the rate we hoped for, but wingers do take longer to develop (Walcott, Lennon etc)
Finally, the thing he struggles with is the most difficult thing to do in football...he doesn't have the luxury of playing easy sideways passes, he is often the furthest forward player looking for the killer final pass...players who can do that consistently are worth an absolute fortune
I think the fans have a huge responsibility to help him develop over the next season or two...he is still a kid and negativity will not help him improve...it will drain his confidence and we will lose him...
How galling would it be to then se him go onto become an established england international somewhere else.
He's only just stopped being a teenager for Christ's sake...cut him some slack (and Neil - maybe don't play him 90 minute of viceroy match to reduce the expectation somewhat!)
I much prefer to post on here, although I did post the reply below as I feel very sorry for the stick Nathan is currently getting...
I would be interested to hear the opinions of others on my preferred forum, as I am sure the tone will be much better.
My post is reproduced below...apologies for the length of it!
I think we may be expecting a bit too much too soon from NR. He has only just turned 20. I find it interesting that he is expected to be so much further ahead in his development than the Murphys when he is less than a year older than they are?
I love watching him burst past people with his pace, but get as frustrated as anyone when the umpteenth shot flies into the upper tier or the cross hits the first defender...but the reason we expect so much is that I think we all see that there could be something special about him...we just are getting impatient because he isn't delivering it yet.
I am worried that he isn't developing at the rate we hoped for, but wingers do take longer to develop (Walcott, Lennon etc)
Finally, the thing he struggles with is the most difficult thing to do in football...he doesn't have the luxury of playing easy sideways passes, he is often the furthest forward player looking for the killer final pass...players who can do that consistently are worth an absolute fortune
I think the fans have a huge responsibility to help him develop over the next season or two...he is still a kid and negativity will not help him improve...it will drain his confidence and we will lose him...
How galling would it be to then se him go onto become an established england international somewhere else.
He's only just stopped being a teenager for Christ's sake...cut him some slack (and Neil - maybe don't play him 90 minute of viceroy match to reduce the expectation somewhat!)
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Andy
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Great points, I hope that he develops into a star player for both us and England and for the record I would keep him. However that's because I'm an old softy who would, if given the opportunity, keep loads of players in case they come good (RvW, Becchio etc). If it were down to me we'd probably have a 50 man squad.
However, the stark reality that the manager/board have to consider is whether we are the right club for him to develop at. In other words, can we afford to nurture his talents whilst at the same time launching a proper campaign for promotion?
It's decision time - should he stay and we just put up with his wasted efforts on goal until he learns to do otherwise or do we cash in on his potential and bring in someone who can deliver at this level.
However, the stark reality that the manager/board have to consider is whether we are the right club for him to develop at. In other words, can we afford to nurture his talents whilst at the same time launching a proper campaign for promotion?
It's decision time - should he stay and we just put up with his wasted efforts on goal until he learns to do otherwise or do we cash in on his potential and bring in someone who can deliver at this level.
Scott
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He has so much potential, and in terms of taking it past full backs, he does it with so much ease, but then when it comes to a cross or a shot, its just awful, he rarely found a yellow shirt yesterday with his crosses, I know he is young but do they wait and try to develop him? or do we cash in? one for the management to decide
K
Killiecanary
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Is it a question of our confidence in our ability to coach him successfully then Andy do you think?
I have no doubt he could be one hell of a player, and his england U21 performances seem to bear this out.
Why can't we coach improvement into his final ball and shooting? I think we are guilty of playing him too much and too often myself...
I have no doubt he could be one hell of a player, and his england U21 performances seem to bear this out.
Why can't we coach improvement into his final ball and shooting? I think we are guilty of playing him too much and too often myself...
BarclayBoy88
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All excellent points KC. I think we do forget how young he is and I think you're absolutely right that maybe we expect too much because we can see just how good he could be if and when that final ball comes. I'd 100% keep him and really wouldn't entertain any offers for him right now, we are exactly the kind of club who can develop talents like Nathan's and I think with a bit of patience he'll come good. He always puts a shift in and seeing him fly past defenders gets fans on their feet and like Martin mentioned in his post match conference, it's entertaining and we haven't seen that much recently. However it does take time and there is definitely a lot of pressure on his shoulders for the role he plays.
splutcho
Moderator
I see a lot of a young Walcott in Redmond, he's got the same strengths and the same big problem. Stick with him, he'll come good. Unfortunately a lot of our fan base seems to be at best very impatient and at worst ignorant and horrible with Redmond.
Andy
Active Member
Surely it isn't hard for the coaches to point out the obvious issues regarding his final product and to suggest that he look for options before simply thumping the ball towards goal. I suspect the real problem is in his capacity to think coolly under pressure, he just acts on instinct and I'm not sure you can coach instinct.
I just hope they sit him down & show him Brad's and Grabban's goals - both exhibited exceptionally cool heads with classy goals.
K
Killiecanary
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Shooting yes
I personally feel that his crossing isn't helped by the lack of options up alongside him. He often only has one option to aim at and they are generally marked, making his job much harder
Even yesterday, often only grabban was up with him. The team have to help him more too by giving him multiple targets to aim for
I personally feel that his crossing isn't helped by the lack of options up alongside him. He often only has one option to aim at and they are generally marked, making his job much harder
Even yesterday, often only grabban was up with him. The team have to help him more too by giving him multiple targets to aim for
mollie windley
New Member
what about the potential of josh murphy ? nobodys mentioned him on this thread
quite simple,play him drop redmond and let him fight for his place.
quite simple,play him drop redmond and let him fight for his place.
splutcho
Moderator
Josh Murphy isn't a regular England U21 international, doesn't have the same pedigree and isn't as good.
admin
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Redmond played far too much football for a 19/20 year old last season. We simply need to drop him completely for a sustained period of time, 4 to 6 weeks of not even being on the bench, he needs a break physically and mentally. Liverpool dropped Sterling for a period last season, Lambert dropped Holt for two months, Man City dropped Joe Hart for a couple of months. It works.
Take him out of the firing line and give him some time to reflect and focus on his composure and decision making in training. Young players can and do burn out, we have played him too much. Use that time to give Josh Murphy a chance.
Take him out of the firing line and give him some time to reflect and focus on his composure and decision making in training. Young players can and do burn out, we have played him too much. Use that time to give Josh Murphy a chance.
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Andy
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Fair point. He did look physically jaded against Wolves although pretty lively yesterday, perhaps he needs some time with the coaching staff to work on decision making. My worry is that if nothing is done then fans will start giving him stick which will pile more pressure on him & probably make things worse.
splutcho
Moderator
Will definitely affect him negatively if people give him stick, but you can't tell these people that, they won't listen.
BarclayBoy88
New Member
You mean booing and shouting at a player doesn't make them play better? Who knew 
splutcho
Moderator
"WE PAY, WE CAN SHOW OUR DISPLEASURE"
"He's paid loads, he should take tons of abuse from someone twice his age that'd usually be reserved for when someone runs over my cat"
"He's paid loads, he should take tons of abuse from someone twice his age that'd usually be reserved for when someone runs over my cat"
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gerryinromania
Well-Known Member
Some good postings here. Our Nathan is still young, still learning..I remember Walcott took a long time to stat doing things correctly, his coaches kept their patience and worked with him, I think, hope this will happen with Nathan....Reminds me of a big, happy Labrador puppy, trying so hard to please all the time, furiously wagging his tail and knocking flowers,coffee cups etc on to the floor